The Clawback LIVE! Episode 32

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Thursday's Council vote was important, but it really just starts the work at City Hall. Joining the show is Kathy Mitchell from Just Liberty and their podcast Reasonably Suspicious to dig in to the policing details. And musician Jackie Venson shares her take and her music.

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Episode Transcript

Hello Austin, Hello District Six. What a week. What week. Last night we had our Council meeting. It went… I can't remember… we finished, it was like 10-ish. Mostly public testimony, again, mostly public testimony. Did a lot of great stuff, including the things at the end, and we'll primarily be talking about the Justice reforms that we pulled together. I have Kathy Mitchell coming on the show who's been very involved in the advocacy on these issues. And then our our musical guest Jackie Venson, who herself, has been putting out some important words on that and will share with us her amazing music. But as I have been doing and I think is important to do, I want to start by talking about our baffling Public Health crisis that we are in right now. So let me start with this. As you know if you're a Clawbacker, If you're a fan of the show, then you know that is the city's website For all COVID information. Austin Texas.Gov/COVID19. You can go here and you can see right at the top, is the self assessment if you need to get tested. If you attended any of the protests that have been going on, then you are eligible to get tested and can go on this website and sign up for that. The other thing that is important to show, as I flip over to my other screen: Here's the latest dashboard. This again. for everyone's reminder. This Travis County plus the Austin Austin part of Williamson County. So it all of Travis County plus the Austin Williamson County - very important for our D6ers. I, of course live in the Austin part of Williamson County, so it's very important for me, too. Check out that new cases chart. That is scary, it's a scary thing. They had to make the Y-axis bigger. That's jump that we're experiencing, and it is important to note that all the medical experts and the epidemiologists and all the folks, they make it very clear that the new cases – is a trailing indicator. If that's the phrase. People contract the virus and then it incubates for a while before symptoms are shown, and not everyone is getting tested unless they think they've exposed. So there's gonna be a lot of accusation that new cases are related to the protests. There's not really any evidence of that, although, I wouldn't be surprised if there was spread coming from the protests, a lot of folks, when I went on Friday night- I went Friday and Sunday, everyone was trying - masks and all that. But there were still moments. There were still moments - it's kind of emotional, and you wanna be in the middle of it, and it's hard. So this is a scary situation The Weekly hospitalizations still disproportionately affecting Hispanic community city that is very problematic. There's a lot of initiatives being set up and pushed out around that making sure And not just stuff in dual language. That's the easy part, but really doing the deep community engagement that's required to build trust with public health professionals. The folks that watch this show I imagine are mostly the choir and the people who hate the choir. We see you. Don't think I don't know. I don't think - so it's not hard to imagine there might be people who don't have trust in government, and they're skeptical when a government official comes up and talks to them. And so it's a medical professional, even if it's a test, and we have to be very intentional about how we engage all across the city who have very different and histories and relationships with City Hall, and make sure that we're doing everything we can to address this pandemic. But this is the scary one. Yesterday, or I guess this was yesterday's numbers. So maybe it was or whatever the last day this number was. I highlighted it: 23 people entered. the hospital because of COVID on one day. And that is bad. This chart here, the stages 1 – 5. This shows how at least Austin and I think others are measuring the response generally to the pandemic What all the researchers say, and these are not city staff researchers. This is UT epidemiologists who have been really gracious and helpful in engaging with the city and providing their expertise, they say: If we cross 20 as a 7-day moving average, not one day, but 7-day. If we cross 20, we are headed towards a very dangerous situation. You can see here on the end of chart. That is a headed type of a line graph. Of course, the governor has taken away the City's the power to enforce any Additional responses. So at this point, we're gonna be putting up the information. We'll continue to put out the information and and continue to educate the public This is not going away, and we're gonna spend most of this show about police reform and the questions about defunding and the protest, and all the things. And it's taken up all the media space – reasonably so. It's a big deal and it happened really fast. Well, the media attention and the protest seemed to happen really fast. The folks who've been doing this work, they've been doing it for a while. Nonetheless, This is just very important. I don't want to fear monger That might turn off ears when we really need to be listening. We just have to keep taking care of each other - masks, hand washing, cocooning folks who are most at risk: seniors and folks with complicating medical issues. And I can't even I cannot stress enough how important that part is. When they do the projections - Well, if we get to this point that it's like Oh this whole curve does this whole thing. I'm gonna the thing down cuz I think you get it. I think you get it. When we talk about the hospitalizations number, it matters because there's a finite resource of hospital capacity, beds, and ventilators - and hospitals capacity. If we start reaching that finite resource If we start bumping up against that finite resource, then anyone who goes the hospital, for any reason is gonna start to see a degradation of their care. It gets really dangerous. What the experts say, medical and epidemiologists etcetera, what they say is, it's not much anyone getting into the hospital, but those who are most at risk: over 60, 65, complicated medical issues. Those are the ones most likely to end up in the hospital with their infection, which is what complicates the community response. So we have to protect those folks. I mean really. And it's a challenge, right? I hear from business owners and I hear from folks who are really struggling, and folks who have have spent time building businesses that are well respected and valued, that do important work, that provide jobs and generate tax revenue, and they just don't know what to do. They don't know how to proceed As much as you know, Mayor Adler and the Council are trying to work with the experts and provide guidance and leadership, the governor's really taken away a lot of the tools. And I think we might be seeing some pretty bad effects of that reality. The other thing I hear from some folks is that we're we're too concerned about the virus, that we have to to get to this herd immunity. We got to get got to get to herd immunity. And sometimes people cite Sweden, but I encourage you if you're citing a Sweden article: Check the date. Find a recent article, find a new one. The narrative has definitely changed in Sweden. It's not that there's no truth to herd immunity. It''s ultimately that the folks who are most at risk, seniors and immuno-compromised and others. They're the ones that can't survive a herd immunity. We just have to keep working through this. We have to keep talking about How to reopen businesses in a safe way and how to be customers in a safe way. And you gotta talk about our friends who just aren't paying attention, or who think this is some kind of conspiracy. I just can't. Pandemics are not partisan. We cannot treat them that way. People are gonna die, people are dying. And we have to be really clear, and provide care to our entire community. This is a crazy time, and we keep saying it, but just because it's a crazy time is no excuse to act crazy. We need cooler heads. The other thing that we did in the Council meeting: I've told you all before I've been working on with Council Alter as a cosponsor and Council Member Harper Madison and Council Member Ellis - additional support for small business, nonprofits, and childcare. We created multiple funds, but specifically the CLEAR Fund for small business and the Anchor Fund, which was a project from Council Member Alter, the Anchor Fund for nonprofit support. We signed the contract with the Better Business Bureau this week, or at least we - the Council approved the contract with the better Business Business Bureau to start working through that process and getting folks the support they need to try and get through this pandemic. So I'm really proud of that work. It's gonna be millions of dollars that will get into this community funded through the Federal Cares Act. So we are trying to leverage those federal resources as much we can to get help out in the community. Stay tuned if you are a small business owner or nonprofit, you stay tuned to for the small small businesses at COAloans.com COAloans.com and ATXrecovers.com for anybody that is having their own economic issues and are looking for the slate of supportive programs. ATXrecovers.com, which includes some of the RISE stuff that Mayor Pro Team Garza and others have led on that, helps with individuals. We're really trying to do as much as we can, and despite all of the other stuff that keeps showing up on our agenda and please keep communicating, because given all of the stuff that's - THIS [points at crowd shot] You can imagine my email is a tornado of info. If I were the IT guy at City, I would be putting extra air conditioners in the Data Center, because those servers are hot based on the number of emails we're getting right now. And I'm here for it. I love it. We are, my staff and I are trying to respond to every D6er we can identify, so please keep up the emails, keep up the advocacy, keep up the communication on all the issues. But I want to now pivot.

Kathy Mitchell - Just Liberty

I wanna to Kathy Mitchell, bring on Kathy Mitchell to the show. Hi! Thank you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. There's a lot to say, and there's a lot that is hard to say, why don't we just start kind of from the beginning? Tell folks who you are and what your group is and kinda your place in the advocacy world. Sure! I work for a group group called Just Liberty. We are bipartisan - truly bipartisan. We have we are a mix of Republicans and Democrats, and we have been working on criminal Justice reform, mostly at the Legislature for the last four years. We're a fairly new Organization. Before that, I worked for a group called the Texas Criminal Justice Coalition. They're kind of a standard policy group on criminal Justice. Before that, I had an entire career with Consumer Reports doing completely other stuff, but had a volunteer life where I was the policy chair for ACLU of Texas on a lot of these exact same issues. So I've been doing this here in Austin. Oh I'm also on the steering Committee of a group called Texans for Accountable Government, where a lot of my more conservative Friends mix it up with my more liberal friends. I love them and they have sprouted a lot of important work. I work a lot with the named Fazio, also started out at Texans for Accountable Government now doing some of the state's leading work on marijuana and how we should handle marijuana and our criminal Justice system. So that's a little me. That's amazing. I mean that's like a broad set of efforts. Thank you for being such a public advocate. That's it's very much appreciated, and I'm glad to have had the honor to work with you and talk to you on issues that are happening at the the city level for a while and especially in this moment. Although I I'm starting to hate calling it "a moment" cuz it makes it makes it sounds like at some point ends. Yeah. Thank you- really not time for that yet or ever, right? Yeah . This is absolutely the beginning. We'll talk about the items that that were on the Council agenda last night that we approved but let's talk about what's behind me here, right? You are close with some of the Black and Brown community leaders that led on these and protests. I don't even know the question to ask you - on what the what the process and meaning and all of this. So I think maybe what you're reaching for is something that I've thought a lot about because until up until a few years ago, it was a lonely slog working on anything related to police accountability. Not just here at the Legislature, everywhere else. You not you could not find Democrat willing to stick their heads out of the the sand. I'll be- I'm gonna be Frank about. And you really only had a handful of Republicans coming from kind of a libertarian side willing to speak to principle. The civil rights from you know the three decades ago, were kind of no longer really reaching new younger audiences that you need to be effective. And then… And then: Ferguson. At that moment, a very important thing happened which was a real revitalization of how we think about civil lights and justice. And it was driven by young people; it was driven by a whole generation who wanted to learn from the lessons of the past, but also wanted to really take a different tone, be who they are, which is a very different generation from mine and frankly, yours, and they wanted to make their own way. So the Austin Justice Coalition was a group that arose in the Ferguson protests of a few years back. They were the lead Organization where we were seeing thousands of people gather at some of the parks on the Eastside and downtown and at the Capitol. And that moment had a moment, kinda like this moment where after all the protests, and after all all the noise, there was a moment of something implementing. Some things could be done. We had had broken through enough to create a path. I joined Austin Justice Coalition kind of at the early point or when they were holding these massive protests. Like anyone else, I just started showing up at their protests. I was amazed at vibrancy, the energy, the focus, the leadership, and I just wanted to be part of it. So at that moment, the opportunities were less than they are now to be perfectly honest, but AJC pushed Really hard. De-escalation was not a new concept by any stretch, but it it was certainly new to people in our Police Department who are all the same people that we have now. They insisted that they were training in it, but you couldn't really see any results. So there was a policy of de-escalation that AJC advocated for, did not get everything it wanted or needed, but it was a step in the right direction. There were a number of other things like that, a lot of dialogue opened, and then unfortunately a couple of years down the road, with a lot of new vibrant doing all the work – and it's still a slog. It's always hard. The police unions oppose everything. So you had Measure who are awesome. You had AJC who are awesome. You had organizations like Just Liberty and Texas Criminal Justice Coalition, and some other kind of standard nonprofit groups that were all kind of pitching do policy development. But we started to see real resistance from APD. Interestingly, a week before the shooting of Mike Ramos, a large group that included almost all of the organizations that have been working on this this stuff here in Austin for the past 2-3 years, basically all co-signed a letter to the city that said, Progress has ground to a halt. We're backing out. We're done, and we have to get new leadership, and a real commitment to change. Then Mike Ramos was shot, and then George Floyd. And here we are. Thank you. I think it's really important to remember the long path this work had taken. A path that had only become visible to me really during police contract negotiations that the city did, that I was very in, and as you know, motion to both deny the contract, and then a year later, approve the contract. It's really important work. You know when I do the show, and I try to keep it serious. But like I think my collar is turned up, and I need to like - jeez I don't know. It's… I gotta keep it light. Like, you laugh or cry. Those are the options. That's kinda what I say. That's right. The You know a lot of that. A lot of the contract Stuff was driven by a lot of factors. I'll just put it that way. There was definitely improvement made in oversight and discipline and transparency, and we've got now Farah Muscadine is our Office of Police Oversight and made some pretty significant changes on finances and save the City a ton of money, and it was really good work. Yeah. But it wasn't all the work. Yeah, I tell you, Kathy, I haven't - this moment popped into my head, and I can't remember what year it was, if it was last year, or year before and which advocates it was with. But there was a meeting in my office talking about the budget. A group of advocates came in, advocating to cut the Police Department budget. They wanted to see it reduced. And I didn't hear them. I didn't listen to what were saying in that moment. And I have a lot of feelings about that now. And it's not a mistake I'm making again. But it is so easy to dismiss for some folks who don't have, who aren't steeped in the experiences of everyone in this community. And who could be? - besides people who are experiencing them? The deeper conversation that is now necessary now that, in many ways, I will leading as the chair of the Public Safety Committee. I'm having my staff, go back and dig that out of my calendar, and if you happen to know who that was with, or what was. You have a lot of meetings. I have a lot of meetings. I want to go back to those advocates and apologize to them, because I didn't listen the way I needed to. And you know, I think all of us have to to be holding accountable, and be honest with each other about that we're doing it. Well, I say, "yes… and." We're at a moment. It's taken really lifting this to a National conversation for people to hear something that frankly, you know, you've been, we've able to sort of demonstrate in charts and graphs for many years. And that is, this thing we built: this 40% of general revenue devoted to policing. It didn't happen overnight. It happened initially in to the spike in crime, That was a real thing that occurred in the late 80s and ended at late-80s/early 90s depending on exactly where you live. And there was a moment when the spike in crime dropped back precipitously. And police departments continued to grow… and grow… and grow… And crime dropped and dropped and police departments grew and grew, and there an increasing gap between the level of crime that was the reason that built out this big police departments in the first place and the level of policing that we continue to build out. Realistically, there was a period and we're starting to claw that back now, but there was a period where officers had. Am I? No, I was pointing to the my logo. Oh! There was a period where officers just did more and more non-crime stuff. We had a lot of officers, every budget cycle because of the mindset, and it was bipartisan and it was a collaborative thing in every city, no matter who is in charge. Every session, the Police Department grew bigger, crime continued to drop. Police actually were only people who had some time and could go do the stuff that nobody else was funded to do. And they've said that! That's not a a new thing now. We've kind of seen that that's how it plays out. In addition, and this is where the the degree to which trust from the Black and Brown communities, you know, has become a chasm, is that also during time, you had the vast dissemination of the concept of broken-windows-policing In broken windows policing in New York officers are walking around you know frisking people with no probable cause. And broken-windows in Texas, officers are stopping black and brown drivers because we don't walk around in the heat, right? That's not a thing. Nobody's walking around. We're in our cars, and we have the stop frisk for people who have cars, which is that pull people over for minor violations. You can't read their plate because of dirt, or their window tinting is too dark, or they failed to signal their change, and then you tell them you smell marijuana, whether you do or not, and you can search their car. And you can arrest them for failure to signal a lane change. and all of of sudden, you have massive in arrest and Jail for violations, frankly during the crime before you know in 70s, nobody would have worried about. Nobody was arresting people cuz their weeds were too tall. What a waste money, right? It takes officers. It takes two officers anywhere from three to four hours to book someone in jail for failure to signal. So when we talk about the need to change what we're doing, we talk about eliminating all these mental healthcalls. That's 15% of the 911 calls that these guys are chasing down. We talk about eliminating these completely unnecessary arrests that are viewed rightfully by Black and Brown folk as just intimidation and harassment. We talk about eliminating and or you know, frankly changing how we address marijuana in this community. That's also been a massive volume of activity on the part of police. You start carving back all of that, you don't need to add more cops. In fact, we may find when we dig in and analyze what our police are actually spending their time on, that we have too many now. There's not a magic number of police that make you safer. There was a guy named Bill Spellman who used to be on the city council and is now over at the LBJ School, and he is a true statistical expert who has Studied the question whether the marginal public safety benefit of adding police officers. And he was doing this a decade ago. A decade ago, Bill Spellman having looked at all the data that exists in the world on this narrow topic came to City Council and said: the marginal public safety benefit of adding one more officer right now is zero. There is there is no evidence that adding these 30 officers is going to make anyone safer. We've met the safety impact of officers driving around in patrol cars can actually have in the world. If we want to be safer, we actually have to do some other things. That was Bill Spellman speaking to the Council at a budget hearing about 10 years ago. We didn't stop adding police officers. You'd think we had if you listen to the APA, but we did not. They're also claiming that cancelled you know, cut $40 million of policing two years ago, that is actually the savings taxpayers that we all by negotiating a better police contract with that self-same Union. So yes, we are spending $40 million less than they wanted because they wanted too much. They wanted too much from taxpayers, and we have- the sky didn't fall. It's fine. I think that this is the moment where we start looking at what else we can do with less. And it's probably a lot. I'm sure it is. And I remember I remember Bill Spellman stuff, watching as an outsider, and when he started breaking down the two-per-thousand number. I remember watching him do that and and I remember it so clear as day and being so impressed with how focused he was on actual data and analysis that it inspires me to this day. It does. Kathy, We are way over on time, and we could probably do 10 times more on this. Thank you so joining the show. Your words are spot on. In terms of the relative utility, does not mean no officers. Right. Right, the relative utility is not an extreme in the other direction. That's right. It's that we need more. We need more things. They just are different things. That's right. And that's the work I'm committed to do as the the Public Safety Committee. Kathy, Thank you so much for all your advocacy. Give all my love to the advocates, and I hope that you and your family are staying safe during this pandemic. All right, same to you. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks, Kathy. Yeah, I am sure that will not be the last conversation we have on topic, but Kathy is a great resource and I'm glad she made some time today. After a very long Council meeting, I know she was also watching.

Jackie Venson

I wanna bring up our musical guest - very excited to have someone who's also having a moment and is also speaking out the issues of the day. So I want to welcome to the show, the amazing Jackie Venson! Hey, I'm sorry to catch you Jackie. Yeah, Yeah. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining the show. I wanna ask you how you and your family are holding up during this pandemic and kinda how things are going generally? Well, I have no idea how my family is doing because my days have been Wall-to-Wall for two weeks, my days have just been interviews and articles. The emotional labor is getting to be unbearable. Emotional labor is real. The phrase emotional labor has been like my keyword, my phrase of the week, and I want you to know, just you and me in this conversation that I'm keeping my head clear on that, for this conversation. Let's talk about something different and then we'll kinda go back a little bit. You graduated from Westwood High School, is that right? Yeah, I sure did. I can't believe it. Do you still live in this part of town? I live off Duval and Jollyville. You might be just outside the district, but you are still in this area. That's so cool. That's so cool. Yeah, for sure. The kids coming out of Westwood are amazing, as are the kids that come out of McNeil and Vandergrift and our other high schools in this area. We're very fortunate to have some great schools in this area. Did you do music while you were at Westwood? They only had band, so like no. No? No. I'm not getting up at five in the morning and marching on the field. Two weeks before school starts. That's what I did. I was a marching band guy. No. I did marching band through high school and college. I was a tuba player. That's okay. There's more than one way to do music. We'll tell me more about I mean you are on top of the game right now, in terms of your music, and I've read what you put out, and how you've been intentional in elevating voices and participating in a way that was authentic and even involving your family. Can you tell folks what that's been like, how that experience has been? You mean involving them in in like what specifically? Like the industry side of things? Oh, Yeah for sure! It is definitely a family business because there's a lot of like invisible Trust Fall that you have to have in the people that you're working with, and that why like that's why we all are so aware all the horror stories of what happens to artists when they don't have a good support system. You know stuff like The 27 Club and stuff, the reason why is because like when you have to trust somebody in a music career, you're like trusting them with a lot. You're trusting them with your money. You're trusting them with your personal information. You're trusting them to speak on your behalf. It's huge. Cuz it's like everything is public, you know, so the reason why I like to involve my family is because they're just, they have No reason to like, take me down. It's like no reason for I grew up, with and shared a bed with for like the first 10 years of life, what good is it take me down? We're better when we're all together, you know. Boy, you said it. Yeah. That's literally everything right right now. Yes. It literally everything right now. You wrote an amazing piece that was in the paper and we don't have to go into all the things. We can! But I'm really curious what the reaction has been, like how have people reacted you wrote a piece on the thing that we're in the Middle of, but I'm curious what the the reaction's been? The reaction has been probably like 30%: "All Lives Matter" "Don't be so divisive." "Solidarity is better than choosing a side." Yeah, so 30% that. And then 70%: Everyone's like, "I'm a 100% with you. Like one trillion, billion, kajillion% with you, and I can't believe that we didn't figure this out like 200 years ago. So that's like that's most of it. So that's the good news, but still is like enough of the other side of the arguments, the really depressing side of the arguments. There's like enough of it for it to be really heavy for the last two weeks. I can't and I won't to understand the emotional labor you're taking on, and I have had pretty amazing insightful conversations with colleagues, especially Council Member Harper-Madison on what it means to kind of be in that space in that moment and you know, I've got your back. I just want you to that. Well, the two things I I wanna say about it, thing number one is: it's this like the emotional labor is not that this stuff hard to talk about. The emotional labor is that we've been talking about it forever. And this is the first time that anyone's ever wanted to listen. That's what's hard. That I'm 30 years old, and this is the first time people have wanted to hear me out on this stuff. And it's- what I mean by "people" is people besides Black and Brown people. So it's like really crazy and what's so heavy about it is that like I'm exhausted from 30 years of trying to tell people about stuff, and now everybody's listening. So if I don't say anything, then I feel like I'm not being responsible, like it's my responsibility to say something. Yeah, OK, Boo hoo, it took people 30 years to care, 30 years of your life to care. But if you don't talk, you're just going to take, you're just going throw away, and take for granted the fact that people care. So it's like it's like a guilt for not wanting to talk about it or be about it every single day, all day. It's like a guilt. To not talk about it, and it's just really like an overall like a mind ----you know what…? Yeah, You know what I'm saying, I'm like, I can't believe that I'm like guilty about… I'm feeling guilty about being tired. I don't even know how else to explain it. Then that is coupled with this like really like crazy intense fear that people are just not going to care in three months. That we are just gonna go back to the way things were. It's like a really really really intense fear, because it's happened every other moment of my life. That's how it's been. People don't care, after like a month. So. Yeah, It's really heavy. I just wanna honor what you said, and I really hope people listen to what you're saying now, because it is too much to put problems caused by people that look like me on the shoulders of people that look like you. Yeah, We're just trying to live in the problems and survive with the problems. That's all we're trying to do, to have a basic life. It's too much and I wanna get to the music, but as you probably heard when I was talking Kathy, I've stepped up my game on this issue specifically in a leadership way, I'll be Chairing the Public Safety Committee starting yesterday, and to have the trust of Council Member Harper-Madison, and the Mayor Pro Tem, and Council Member Casar, and the rest of my colleagues on the Council for this to be the chair of Public Safety right now? No, it's cool. What happened yesterday was exciting, and it's just the first step in just the tip of the iceberg, but it's really exciting like I've never seen anything… I've never even seen this tip of the iceberg. The iceberg has always been completely submerged underwater, so the fact that we can even see the tip of an iceberg is cool. Yeah, and I tell a lot of my folks you know the there's a lot of bad rhetoric out there about what decisions the Council is making and the worst of it, in that level, is that the that the decisions are final that were actually made. What we did was start the work. Yeah. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we did. We didn't finish it. We started it, like this isn't an effect yet. It's just that we started having that conversation yesterday. Yeah. Well, the biggest thing that I can say is like sometimes it can be unclear on what I can do as a citizen? Will there be voting involved? I wanna I'm gonna be really keeping my eyes peeled for that, because sometimes these elections or decisions or these propositions, sometimes they float by, and I even know they happened cuz like nobody publicized it or something. So that's a big thing. I wanna know what the citizens are going to be involved in when it the process of changing things around here. Well, the only ask I will make of you is when white people come to you, send them to me. You got it!You know, that helps a lot, man! Suddenly I feel better. I'll work on it. I'll work on it. Jackie- Suddenly I feel lighter. I love it. You've been an absolute pleasure on the show. I cannot wait to hear what you have prepared to share your music with us today. So why don't you take it away? All right! This song is called "Cover My Eyes." [guitar] Fire all your weapons Wave your colored flags Cursed to see the future Because see the past, oh Lord, Cover my eyes. Cover my eyes. Cover my eyes, I don't want to see. Violence it protects us, They say it keeps us free, But as we sow these troubled seeds, What will we all reap? Oh Lord. Cover my eyes, Cover our eyes, Cover our eyes, we don't want to see. Cover our eyes, Cover our eyes, Cover our eyes, we don't want to see. Then I play and sing and dance, Get myself into a trance, Realize beauty that I've missed, Realize ignorance ain't bliss Unable to grow, 'Cause our eyes have been closed. Uncover our eyes before we go blind, Yeah, we need to see. Uncover our eyes before we go blind, Uncover our eyes yeah we need to see Yeah, we need to see. There we go! That was so amazing. Thanks. That was so amazing. No problem! Jackie Thank you so much. Thank you for time and your music and willing to burden whatever emotional labor I laid on you today. No worries, man, like I said, it's complicated. I appreciate having the opportunity in the platform to talk about this stuff. I just hope that we keep talking about it for literally the rest of our lives. Well, that's the commitment I'm you. Great. For the work I'm doing and congratulations on Guitar Girl cover! Oh yeah. That is Super cool. I don't have the picture. I don't have the graphic in front but I encourage everyone: Google it. It's Super cool and for you to be D6er, well, even if you just live on the other side of the line, we're claiming you! I'm right on the border, man! I love it. Thank you so much. Jackie. All right, thanks so much. Damn! That was good! Well. I thought when we started this show, I was like, well, you know I got two guests. We've been been Super busy this week, with the with all the things- I thought well, you know it'll be fine. We'll do a shorter… Let's do a shorter show with two guests. 50 minutes later! There's big stuff happening. Y'all There really there's big stuff and it's the kind of stuff that doesn't have to be partisan and it doesn't have to be cantankerous. It's really important work, to hear Jackie express what it means to be her in this moment. I really want and I hope everybody thinks about that. Getting to work so with some of my Council colleagues especially Council Member Harper Madison, who's own experience covers all corners of the city, including District 6. It just how important it is for us to support and elevate the voices of folks who, as Jackie said, who's voices just haven't been heard. Some of us and our voices are always heard, and we need to share the love. We need to share the love, and we need to keep listening. I put a blog post up on my official City Hall website. ATXD6.Org ATXD6.Org that goes additional detail. Kathy, did a great job but additional detail on what Council's contemplating with the items we voted on last night, I encourage you to go check it out and share with your friends. I wanna bring up this link. You know, we are on the campaign trail. We have opponents and they are not agreeing with the things that I talk about, and so that's that's something to note. But if you want to see this work continue, if you wanna see my work continue, you wanna see this guy the chair of the Public Safety Committee as we navigate these difficult waters. You know what to do. I need your support, and I hope you'll make your donations at the link below, and encourage all of your friends to go to JimmyFlannigan.com and sign up if you wanna help me do the work. So we gotta talk our neighbors. We gotta talk to our friends. And there really is a way to do it. There really is. And to my conservative friends, there's a way to do it that actually speaks to small government fiscal conservatism. We're we're talking about shrinking a blunt instrument, and targeting the tools of government specific to the community's needs. How could we not be excited about that work? And I hope you all will join me in it. You can sign can sign up at JimmyFlannigan.com. Read what I had to say in ATXD6.Org and share this show. Share it on Facebook, Share it on YouTube, Share it everywhere, you can. This is important work, and to all the folks who are standing over my shoulder. I'm listening. Please keep talking, please keep communicating and please keep advocating. Everybody we got an election coming up, not just mine. We got one coming up. First. There's a runoff that happens in July, please be ready to vote in that runoff election. Do your research. We'll talk a little bit about that in another show. Do the vote by mail stuff. There's just a lot. Going on. Please keep yourself safe. Please take this pandemic seriously, and please protect each other in this community in all the ways that that means. Thank you all for watching the show today, and have a good weekend.

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